v6 naming and shaming - *.europa.eu

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2016-05-18 16:10, Phil Mayers wrote:
> On 18/05/16 15:03, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> 
>> The best advice for getting IPv6 fixed is for a large well used network
>> (google, facebook) to stop providing IPv4. Then suddenly people will fix
>> things as they won't have working "Internet" and their users will
>> complain really really loud.
> 
> Ok so basically, if more/most access networks were IPv6-enabled (because
> big or vital providers are IPv6 only) then all service networks would
> have to get it working?

Then they have a REAL reason: complaining users who cannot Google/Facebook.

And that is for many ISPs what it will take for them to even remotely
think of IPv6, see again:
 https://www.sixxs.net/wiki/?title=Call_Your_ISP_for_IPv6

> Not unreasonable, but that's a very long term prospect I guess.

It *IS* unreasonable.

As when such an event happens, it will have to be done in 1 day instead
of the 20 years that they already knew this was going to happen.

Also, likely such an event will not happen, as the establish "big"
players have more than enough IPv4 to last their lifetimes putting up
big load balancer farms.

The BIG problem there is newcomers to the market, they won't be able to
enter as they won't get any IPv4.

> I'd be curious to know if people have suggestions that work shorter term.

Please read through every IPv6-related list from the last 20 years.

People have been trying to convince folks for a while already...

> I'm in agreement that shaming is not effective; but I'm frustrated and
> it just seemed so ironic that their public claims were so pro-v6.

I've never been frustrated about this. I only see that folks doing
consulting on the subject will have a lot of work at one point.

> Question for any access network providers: if/when you run into these
> issues, how do you plan to proceed? Leave the site broken and force the
> site owner to fix, or work around at your end and hide the problem?

They will likely set up a big HTTP proxy and then tunnel IPv6 from
somewhere...

Please note that this list is the wrong audience, and so is any other
list where folks know about IPv6. These folks already have IPv6.

If they do not have IPv6 it is because of some "C-level" "business
decision" to not look into it.

You cannot fix those folks unfortunately. The only thing one can do is
"I told you so" and laugh very very hard when they turn over their cash
to the consultants and companies taking over their networks...

Greets,
 Jeroen