Geoff on IPv4 Exhaustion

Matija Grabnar matija.grabnar at
Mon Nov 21 08:13:15 CET 2011

On 11/21/2011 06:19 AM, Doug Barton wrote:
> On 11/20/2011 20:54, Cutler James R wrote:
>> On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> There isn't going to be a "return to end-to-end." Users don't want
>>> it, and it almost certainly is not a good idea even if they did.
>> I'd love to see the methodology and raw results for the poll of Users
>> that gave the result you cite.
> Oh please. This kind of appeal to authority is sometimes justified, or
> even necessary. But it's all-too-often employed by people who can't
> prove their point that way either.
Well "the users don't want end-to-end" is an appeal to authority, too.
And I think it misses the point. The vast majority of users doesn't 
the issues involved in "end-to-end" vs NAT to NAT vs network to network VPN.
They just want to do their jobs.

The question is, which is in the long run, the most effective way of 
enabling them
to do what they need to do?

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