<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 14:05, John Payne <<a href="mailto:john@sackheads.org">john@sackheads.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[*] even if that's "primary/backup" rather than anything more complex...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but people will want to try to get to 60/40 or 50/50 for political or cost<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reasons<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and people denying/not acknowledging the need of political/economical<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">traffic engineering are kindly asked to get their head outside of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cozy cave that their educational lab network is. ktnxby<br></blockquote><br>Please then propose a "total solution" to this problem that solves it<br>for everybody. A requirements document would already be a great start<br>for that matter.<br><br>You can come out of your cozy cave when you have done that.<br><br>NEXT!</div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>*sigh*</div><div><br></div><div>I was asking Fred a question in order to better answer his.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyhow, this is starting to feel like 2006 (see thread starting at: <a href="http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/shim6/msg00987.html)">http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/shim6/msg00987.html)</a></div><div><br></div><div>After a call for operator input to shim6 from NANOG, the shim6 mailing list received operator input, including a decent size set of requirements. Perhaps not a formal requirements document, but pain points and needs and wants were expressed.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, none of those would fit into shim6, and since it had already been decided that shim6 was the direction of multihoming, "buzz off pesky operators".</div><div><br></div><div>And then IPv6 PI space started to appear.... "yay".</div><br></body></html>