IPv6 blocks for micro-allocation
Steve Bertrand
iaccounts at ibctech.ca
Wed Jun 4 02:16:30 CEST 2008
Nick Hilliard wrote:
>> Yes, and to the unwashed little operator like me, it is completely
>> beyond me, why there isn't a hierarchic authentication and authorization
>> scheme, with IANA holding the toplevel "maintainer" objects for
>> inet(6)nums and route(6) objects (and others).
>>
>> Almost all RIRs have adopted the RIPE DB software, only(?) ARIN still
>> using some vintage system, not tying IRR data to IP space registration
>> data.
>>
>> Must be some kind of Not Invented Here syndrome...
>>
>> Or I must be overlooking something...
>
> it's a bit more involved than that. ARIN inherited some revision of the
> InterNIC database, poked it to the point of complete incompatibility
> with anything whatever, and currently serve data in a format which is
> rather less than compatible with anything at all. It was a great pity
> that they didn't take the chance to migrate to either the Merit or the
> RIPE whois database daemon at the InterNIC->ARIN split. APNIC and
> Afrinic use fairly recent RIPE daemons, and LACNIC front-ended
> everything with Joint Whois, which means that you could get anything at
> all from them.
>
> There are lots of other routing registries out there. Jos Boumans gave
> an interesting talk at RIPE-56 about the difficulties faced in mirroring
> the systems, but the main problem appears to be that there are too many
> of them around, supporting different features, and often with
> conflicting data for the same lookup keys. He mentioned a figure of 40+.
>
> Also, while lots of these IRRs use the RIPE code, lots more use the IRRd
> code. And many use slightly older code versions which don't support
> later features. For example, the Level 3 IRR (rr.level3.net) uses
> RIPEdb 3.0.0a13, which dates from the pre-RPSL days. It's pretty
> ancient code at this stage.
>
> IRRd and RIPE support different syntax too, and it's annoying. RADB
> natively supports server-side as-set expansion, but RIPE doesn't. RIPE
> supports a well structured mnt-routes and mnt-lower hierarchy, but RADB
> doesn't. And so forth. The list of grievances and incompatibilities is
> long.
>
> Anyway, to deal with your question, IANA has no relationship with most
> of these routing registries. RIPE happens to be particularly well
> organised, because it manages address ownership with the IRRDB in the
> same database, and has a relationship with IANA, so it can do funky
> stuff like allowing its users to have some level of security when
> dealing with routing info. But this can't really happen with any of the
> other non-RIR IRRDBs because they are just organisations on the net who
> happen to run IRRDBs; they have no particular relationship with IANA or
> ARIN in this respect. It might be nice if ARIN were to dump their
> fossilized format and go down the route of all the other RIRs, but that
> doesn't appear likely to happen any time soon. Mean-time, you can
> expect the current situation to stay much them same.
>
> In fact the only thing you can say for sure about all these whois
> servers is that they listen on port 43/tcp and may provide useful
> information if given some arguments. Beyond that, you're on your own.
> Of course, getting people to change requires dealing with politics:
> "why are you changing this? it works fine". Just like the imperial
> measurement system*. It works fine.
>
> Summary: it's a mess.
So, given that this is a mess (as I see it, as a small operator with
working-'at' knowledge), is there at least some form of consensus on a
path forward? Are the IRRs going to be ignored completely, or segmentally?
It sounds like there is a massive prefix-filter list issue even before
IPv6 really is anything more than something that is glued between
different areas of IPv4 access.
I concur with Daniel's curiosity as to why there is no auth/auth scheme
(however, I have an understanding that it may be out of IANA's
jurisdiction), so is this something that the IETF can fix with
consideration of a new standard, or am I way off base?
Is there at least tentative consensus that most follow the list Jeroen
mentioned?:
http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html
Steve
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