<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>While following this thread, it occurred to me that one issue not being discussed is Netflix's encouragement to revert to IPv4. Of course, that is fairly easy with NAT, but the principle is one that makes me feel very uncomfortable. We work so hard to see IPv6 expanded, it feels like a small setback -- or at least a jab -- coming from such a large company.</div><div><br></div><div>Thus, the question I pose to the community is this: are there any redress mechanisms we can use to address this situation at the core of the issue, i.e., with Netflix, and help them work out solutions -- like some of the ones offered so far -- to not discourage IPv6? This can include meetings, mobilizing networks, relationship building, outreach, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">-Michael</font><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">__________________</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Michael J. Oghia<br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Independent consultant & editor</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">2015 ISOC IGF Ambassador</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Istanbul, Turkey</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small">Skype: mikeoghia</span><br></font></div></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><a href="https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia" target="_blank">Twitter</a></font> <b>|</b> <font color="#0000ff"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></font></font></div></div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Noel Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" target="_blank">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Robert,<br>
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Yes it's regrettable, but HE don't allocate ipv6 ranges on their TB service by country, I too use them, and our ranges could be side by side, and thats how netflix sees it, so they block HE's tunnels ipv6 ranges. I'm not sure if they also block ipv6 ranges that are for HE native use, like in their colos etc, possibly they do that too.<br>
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Cheers<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On 15/06/2016 09:42, Robert Hosford wrote:<br>
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Noel,<br>
<br>
. I have been using HE for almost 10 years and they have been awesome.<br>
Verizon FIOS doesn't offer IPv6 or I would go native. However I am<br>
dual stacked on my Verizon phone, works fine with Netflix.<br>
<br>
I see this blocking as being laziness on the part of Netflix. When<br>
the account is setup a geo location tag can be setup that this is a US<br>
based IPv6 tunnel.<br>
<br>
I am in the US and all of my traffic is in the US.<br>
<br>
I like HE because I have noticed that my IPv6 traffic over HE is<br>
faster than my IPv4 over Verizon's network. And it is free.<br>
<br>
C:\Windows\system32>ping <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.google.com</a><br>
<br>
Pinging <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.google.com</a> [2607:f8b0:4004:80e::2004] with 32 bytes of data:<br>
Reply from 2607:f8b0:4004:80e::2004: time=1ms<br>
Reply from 2607:f8b0:4004:80e::2004: time=5ms<br>
Reply from 2607:f8b0:4004:80e::2004: time=6ms<br>
Reply from 2607:f8b0:4004:80e::2004: time=9ms<br>
<br>
See I just love HE.<br>
<br>
Oh I also pay for the HD Netflix and it buffers and still looks like<br>
crap. I had better Netflix performance over HE than I do with Verizon.<br>
<br>
For a company that consumes so much of the Internet blocking us is<br>
just a slap in the face.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Robert<br>
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On 13/06/2016 06:46, Robert Hosford wrote:<br>
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<br>
Unless you use HE like I do. Nice Job Netflix.....<br>
<br>
Robert<br>
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Do you use HE tunnel? or native ipv6? netflix are blocking HE<br>
tunnelbroker services because of fun police copyright cops narky about<br>
geoblock avoidance, why should you pay the same cheap price as in US<br>
when they can make you pay 25-40% more because your from another<br>
country for exact same thing ;)<br>
<br>
this has recently started which leads me to think this is your problem<br>
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