<div dir="ltr">Keith we feel this way as such we deployed 6to4 relays. Since our customers were using the same we wanted to make sure it worked as well as it could even though 6to4 offers a sub-optimal experience similar to other tunneling technologies we ran trials for but did not deploy. One of the main differences with 6to4 is it is there whether we want it to be or not, this is a bi-product of decisions that were made collectively year ago.<div>
<br></div><div style>We do feel that 6to4 traffic will go up before it goes down as native IPv6 deployment increases. Only when native IPv6 reaches reaches a tipping point do I believe 6to4 we will see a decline in 6to4 traffic and usage.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>John</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Keith Moore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moore@network-heretics.com" target="_blank">moore@network-heretics.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The problem
is that the advice is based on a false premise.
Native access is NOT yet widely available in
many parts of the world. If it were, there
wouldn't be much 6to4 traffic, and turning off
6to4 relays wouldn't cause problems.</span><br>
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So a recommendation to drop 6to4 relays would, at the
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<div>Sure, but as far as I can see, the only alternatives
are:</div>
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<li>Upgrade the box with 10G interfaces, incurring
substantial cost.<br>
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<li>Drop the packets, degrading service quality.<br>
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<div>Suppose operators take the position that they don't
want to upgrade the relays because most of the traffic
on them comes from third party networks, and thus #1 is
infeasible. What then?</div>
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What I find myself thinking is that if you're not willing to spend
more money on faster interfaces to the relays (which I see as a
purely business decision, similar to whether to procure faster links
to a peer), then one alternative to shutting down the relay entirely
might be to advertise the route to that relay less favorably, so
that it doesn't look like a good route to as many peers, thus
reducing the load that way.<br>
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Hopefully more access providers will take up the slack so as to
provide better 6to4 service for their customers, at least until
those providers provide native v6 access to their customers. But I
do see 6to4 relay as a service that probably has to migrate closer
to the edge over time until there's no longer a need for it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Keith<br>
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p.s. At my great distance, it does seem a bit odd for an operator to
say, in effect, "too many people are wanting to send traffic to this
prefix, therefore we need to shut down our link to it." Is that
the way operators think about prefixes in general? But I also
realize that there's nobody who speaks for 2002::/16 so there's no
way to go to them and say "you need to pay us for more bandwidth".
And I don't think that just because an operator is willing to run a
relay, that this implies that they have to spend arbitrary amounts
of money to keep it from dropping packets.<br>
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