<div>I will reply to you exactly once, I do not have any interest in prolonging this thread needlessly. That being said, I feel that I speak for a significant portion of the subscribers of this list.</div><div><br></div><div>
<br></div>On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org" target="_blank">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for accusing me to be a criminal, but not thanks.<br>
Shady business, my hairy ass. You should be ashamed of yourself.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>He refuted your point, he did not accuse you of anything.</div><div><br></div><div>If you can not behave in an adult manner, please vacate this list.</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Try to accusing a bricks and mortars business of that, and<br>
enjoy having your ass sued off.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Irrelevant and a weirdly veiled threat.</div><div><br></div><div>If you can not behave in an adult manner, please vacate this list.<br></div><div> </div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">It might have been clear for years, but there's such a thing<br>
as sending a clear message, and ability to plan ahead.<br>
Apparently, some hosters are better than others in that<br>
respect.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Correct. Hetzner knows what will come inevitably and they are adjusting their business accordingly. Does this suck for a lot people? Yes. Is there a way for Hetzner to magically shake IPv4 address space from a tree? No.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">How do you deal with Google and Amazon as your competitors?<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you are planning to start a search engine or a social network today, you are in for trouble; no matter how many IPv4 addresses you may have.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
What is your workaround for that?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Compete in markets that are not saturated.</div><div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
What do you have to have in order to deal with that?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't understand that question. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
You don't have to answer these, I'm obviously being rhetorical here.<br>
</blockquote></div><br>You are also ranting continuously and you are pushing various off-topic and, quite frankly, technically ridiculous issues on a mailing list with a relatively clear focus.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">To quote your initial email:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">> Sorry for a lame and way off-topic post, but I'm a bit desperate.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">We get that you are desperate, but that does not make anything you have been writing more relevant to this list.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"><div><div>> I'm in the market for a co-lo rack, half rack, or even quarter</div><div>> of a rack -- must be to bargain-basement prices, offer at</div><div>> least 100 MBit/s dedicated switch port (better 1 GBit/s),</div>
<div><br></div><div>Try asking actual service providers. Many are subscribed to this list, but this is off-topic here. Also, if you want to pay bargain-basement prices (Hetzner...), expect bargain-basement service.</div>
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<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>> P.S. Alternatively, how much IP transit space can I get</div><div>> from Level3, Interoute, Cogent, M-net, Core-Backbone, and</div><div>> to which prices?</div></div><div>--other email--</div>
<div>> I've looked at LIR pricing, and it's ridiculous.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As there's no new IPv4 PI space any more, what use would transit be to you? Especially since you are unwilling, or unable, to pay for IPv4 addresses?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick Hilliard did a good job of dismantling cjdns, but I would like to add that a TUN device is quite useless unless you have a solid network through which your TUN devices interconnect. And anticipating that this, or other, mechanisms will be widely adopted prior to IPv6 is, quite frankly, ridiculous.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Way too long story short: Even though I can not force you, or anyone else on this list, to stop posting, I would ask everyone involved to let this thread die. It's been amusing for the peanut gallery for some time, but it's not going anywhere and way past annoying.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div></div>Richard<br>
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