Netflix hates IPv6

[Brandon Butterworth]

On Wed Jun 15, 2016 at 08:57:03AM +0300, Michael Oghia wrote:
> While following this thread, it occurred to me that one issue not being
> discussed is Netflix's encouragement to revert to IPv4

They could do that better, instead of just telling users to turn off v6
they might explain that it's because they are using a tunnel/vpn and
that they should ask their ISP for native IPv6 instead.

I don't know the numbers involved but they may have decided that a few
tunnel users should be able to figure that for themselves if they
already figured out how to set up a tunnel. Or they are just giving
the lazy answer (and expect ISPs to sort it out when they roll out
native IPv6)

This has all been done to death on the nanog list (my contribution to
the noise is below)

> Thus, the question I pose to the community is this: are there any redress
> mechanisms we can use to address this situation at the core of the issue,
> i.e., with Netflix, and help them work out solutions -- like some of the
> ones offered so far -- to not discourage IPv6? This can include meetings,
> mobilizing networks, relationship building, outreach, etc.

I suspect nothing will change (speaking for netflix while guessing
the likely reason so there may be more to this) 

brandon

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From nanog-bounces at nanog.org  Sat Jun  4 11:52:29 2016
From: Brandon Butterworth <brandon at rd.bbc.co.uk>
To: cryptographrix at gmail.com, owen at delong.com
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
Cc: nanog at nanog.org

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 17:35 , Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> Letâ's face it folks, if we want to encourage Netflix to tell the
> content providers to give up the silly geo-shit, then we have to
> stop patronizing channels that do silly geo-shit.

Correct but it needs a lot to do that.

We do the geo thing. I didn't want us to and we didn't for a few years
but once the geo people had convinced rights owners it was a viable
thing they forced people buying their content to use it. I tried to
stop it here and failed but it's never over, people are starting to
realise it's silly to annoy people who want your services, you just
need to find a way to allow them

To be fair to Netflix the tunnel blocking will likely have been driven
by their content suppliers asserting their contractual rights to not
allow access from certain places.

Their content suppliers will have seen people boasting how they use
tunnels to get round them and tunnel suppliers advertising their
services for doing so. Blame them for the blocking as while it was a
personal thing they wouldn't have been bothered much.

As usual a few people see an opportunity to make money off something
and in the process break it for everyone

btw the list of tunnel providers was likely supplied by the same
geo ip people, some sell that as an extra.

brandon
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