Open Letters to Sixxs

Sat Sep 17 16:12:07 CEST 2011

On 17/09/2011, at 14.43, Meftah Tayeb wrote:

> Henrik,
> i'm allmost happy with He.net and i'm with them 24X7 on twitter (me i'm DZLink)
> we always talk and message and suggest
> i ignored the TroubleMaker Sixxs right now
> i'm looking for some friend to get connectivity to everywhere through a Ipv6 6in4 tunnel and avoid looking a that stupid sixxs right now
Can you please stop referring to  sixxs in derogatory terms, it makes you look bad.

You may not agree to their terms, fine
You may not want to use them, fine  

Facts are they provide a service for free and run their networks very nicely, so you can trust your tunnel is running smoothly. They have over the years dedicated quite a lot of resources to document IPv6 stuff and making IPv6 available to a large user base. I wonder how many people have used their detailed instructions when configuring IPv6 in general?

The only trouble I see is that people get greedy with a lot of free and open services, and if you "cannot be bothered" with doing a few things yourself?! WHAT, is your time really that more worth than the time spent by SiXXS people?

BTW I am not part of SiXXS net, admin team or anything, but I can understand perfectly why they decided to have their policies in place!

> and i do use he.net for about one yeer with dynamic endpoint without any problem at all.
> when i say is not peered at all, i mean with Cogent/Level3, but aparantly, is peered with level3 right now
Yeah I checked my routers too and it seems they have agreed on peering after all :-)

Best regards

Henrik

> thank you
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Lund Kramshøj" <hlk at kramse.org>
> To: <ipv6-ops at lists.cluenet.de>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Open Letters to Sixxs
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> 
> On 15/09/2011, at 16.34, Meftah Tayeb wrote:
> 
>> i know is not peered at all.
>> that's i was looking for SIXXS cause SIXXS is mostly peered everywhere.
>> Thank you
> 
> I think some of your comments show little actual experience with this.
> 
>> From my viewpoint we try to be well-connected to "IPv6 internet" - sorry for 
> not having a good term to describe this.
> 
> This means that we want our transit providers to be well-connected, which two providers AS16245 NGDC and AS3549 Global Crossing are with peering to Hurricane Electric
> - and we started tickets to Level3 asking WHY the *bleeeep* they are not. He.net is obviously a huge part of the IPv6 networks and a transit provider MUST be able to reach them, in my opinion.
> 
> Being well-connected though means connected to the resources you NEED - which is why this quickly becomes complex, as in
> we can have the best speed and connectivity, but if some customer cannot reach network XXX then they still will consider our service BAAAAD.
> 
> Hint: most customers use facebook, googleservices, akamai etc. so the research you need to do is less. This realized you will probably see that some peer directly with these
> even though peering disputes make them not want to peer with he.net for instance.
> 
> There will be some period of time when people realizes they are not as well connected on IPv6 as before.
> 
> 
> What this boils down to is, does SiXXS provide the connectivity you need?
> - you should research their peerings and the network you are trying to reach
> 
> and likewise, does He.net tunnelbroker provide the connectivity you need?
> - you should research their peerings and the network you are trying to reach
> 
> 
> 
> Then from personal experience SiXXS is awesome, really reaallllly awesome, because:
> They consider IPv6 PRODUCTION, even asking that you keep your tunnels working - with a point scoring system in place
> 
> They have written policies asking that you do not dns spam
> http://www.sixxs.net/faq/sixxs/?faq=dnsspam
> "Our policy is immediate and irrevocable deletion of the user account and all resources linked to it, if anybody files a justified and documented complaint about the use of these hostnames within networks maintained by MNT-SIXXS (which means all tunnelservers in custody of our tunnelbroker software). DNS Spam and shellhosters/vhosters are not welcome at our service."
> 
> Thank you SiXXS!
> 
> Their service, or actually the various tunnel servers I have used are great, good speed - even if tunnels - almost no problems using for production
> 
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> 
> also from personal experience he.net tunnelbroker is great, and quicker to get into - not requiring the same level of participation like sixxs.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Henrik, AS12617 operator - we are very likely to peer with anyone that wants to BTW :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arjan Van Der Oest
>> To: Meftah Tayeb
>> Cc: ipv6-ops at lists.cluenet.de
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: Open Letters to Sixxs
>> 
>> On 15Sep, 2011, at 16:12 , Meftah Tayeb wrote:
>>> ok, that's a positive answer.
>>> but let me ask you a question:
>>> do HE.NET peer with cogent? level3?
>> 
>> Don't know, ask them. You can send them an e-mail, it's listed on the site.
>> 
>>> that the way i'm looking arround SIXXS and they look like a IPV6 POLICE !
>> 
>> I have had no negative experience with them, but your milage may vary. I don't know what the issue is and to be honest I don't want to know. But like someone said: barking at the wrong tree. Just open a HE account, it only takes 5 seconds. No need to pay, no need to send photocopies of anything.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>> 
>> Arjan van der Oest
>> Senior Network Engineer / Security Officer
>> 
>> Voiceworks BV - Editiestraat 29 - 1321 NG Almere
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